I am being offered the above for $ 3,550 with box and papers. Looks to be a reasonable deal but thought I would run it by the Forum. Also, anyone have an idea how much it will drop a year from now as I am not sure I'll be keeping longer than that? Or will I take a bath on it and should pass?

Thank you.

What are you wearing?

The "Next FP Journe" thread inspired me to start this thread to share and compare notes on brands who are perhaps lesser known in the wider horology community. Let's see if we can build a mini-encyclopedia of cool brands that are either up-and-coming, weird, independent, or perhaps simply overlooked for one reason or another.

Rules: Let's keep the discussion away from more well known brands...which for the purposes of this thread I'm going to define using last year's brand list from Nico Leonard's YouTube channel. I'm not exactly a fan of his, but he has a decent following so if they're on his list it's safe to say the majority of our collective group will likely know of these brands so we'll skip them for the purposes of this thread (alphabetical list below). I had to start somewhere!

A Lange and Sohne, Alpina, Angelus, Aventi, Baume and Mercier, Bell and Ross, Blancpain, Breitling, Bremont, Brequet, Bulova, Bvlgari, Cartier, Casio, Christopher Ward, Chronoswiss, Citizen, Czapek, FP Journe, Federique Constant, Fossil, Frank Meuller, Gerard Parregaux, Grand Seiko, Gronefeld, Gucci, H Moser et Cie, Hamilton, IWC, Invicta, Jaeger-LaCoultre, Jaquet Droz, Laurent Ferrier, Longines, Louis Erard, Louis Monet, Louis Vuitton, Maen, Mont Blanc, Nivada Grenchen, Nomos, Norqain, Omega, Orient, Oris, Panerai, Patek Phillippe, Piaget, Rado, Raymond Weil, Ressence, Roger Dubuis, Rolex, Seiko, Sinn, Swatch, TagHeuer, Timex, Tissot, Trilobe, Tudor, Ulysse Nardin, Vacheron Constantin, Venezianico, Zenith, Zodiac

With those removed, there are no further rules. I don't care if it's an expensive brand, cheap brand, more popular or just some dude in the garage next door building high-end watches from scratch. Let's share some names/brands and see if we can bring more awareness to parts of the industry that may not get their dues. Hopefully the collective can help each other locate some new/cool stuff to be on the lookout for.

Here's a starting list from my own accumulated file (just google the below and add "watch" and you'll find 'em!)

Akrivia (Rexhep Rexhepi)

Albishorn

Anderson Geneve

Atelier de Chronometrie Barcelona

Auffret Paris

Berneron

Bernhard Lederer

Charles Frodsham

David Candaux

Felipe Pikullik

Ferdinand Berthoud

Fiona Kruger

Fleming

Garrick

Hajime Asaoka

Haldimann

J Holthinrichs

Jean-Baptiste Viot

JN Shapiro

Kees Engelbarts

Kikuchi Nakagawa

Krayon

Kudoke

Laine

Lang and Heyne

Marco Lang

Naoya Hida

Ondrej Berkus

Ophion

Petermann Bedat

Simon Brette

Space One (this one's for Fed!)

Sylvain Pinaud

Voutilainen

Xhevdet Rexhepi

And closing with some Canadian content...Bradley Taylor and Aaron Sarauer.

I look forward to the rest of you pointing me to your own lists of hidden gems.

Or is it just a very expensive SUV?

Thought some of you might enjoy this episode from the Smithsonian’s podcast, SIDEDOOR. Definitely worth 30 mins of your time. You can listen to it here: https://www.si.edu/sidedoor/secret-lincolns-watch Enjoy!

Hi. Looking at trading in a watch only (serviced by Patek in 2021) Neptune 5085/1a. What would be the approximate value for that watch by dealers? Appreciate your help

Hello All,

I would love to know anyone’s thoughts and opinions on Habring, I have been looking at them and I would love a Doppel, anyone have an experience with them that they want to share?

What watchmaker do you guys think will be the next one to make a move in price like FPJ? Something flying under the radar....

Hi All,

Looking at a Breguet 5817. The movement usually has gold paint/lacquer (or whatever the correct word is) inlayed into the engraved information (Breguet name, caliber name, etc...) but it looks like it's worn out. Otherwise the movement looks good to me. I was wondering what this signifies? AI essentially said someone may have used solvents and/or a nasty brush to clean the movement. But I was hoping to get some thoughts.

I'm seeing $26,000 - $30,000 for this watch. Any thoughts on pricing for this one with the retro seconds?

https://www.chrono24.com/breguet/tradition-7097-18k-white-gold-mens-watch--id44775083.htm

How do watches purchased from the market ship? Would I be able to have it sent to my military address?

Whatcha wearing today / this weekend?

I’m looking at purchasing this watch through an auction house and would love to get your opinion on value.

What do you think would be a great buy price or realistic wholesale number for this reference?

From my research, the original retail price was around $60,000, and current secondary-market listings seem to range from approximately $38,000 on the low end to over $50,000 for full-set examples.

This particular watch includes the original Certificate of Origin but does not come with the original box.

To be completely honest, I’m looking at this as a potential value opportunity. I think it’s a very overlooked model in the current market, and there may be a chance to buy it well below market value. My thought process is to acquire it at the right price, enjoy it for a period of time, then send it to Patek Philippe for a complete factory service and obtain an Extract from the Archives. After that, I could either sell it privately for a profit or wholesale it to a dealer if the numbers make sense.

I’m curious to hear what others think the true wholesale value is today and what price point would make this an attractive buy.

Patek Philippe 5147G

• Reference Number: 5147G-001
• Year 2012
• Case Size: 39MM
• Complication Annual Calender Moon Face
• 18K White Gold
• Factory Diamond Gem Set / 62 diamonds
• Navy Blue Lacquered dial with white gold applied hour markers and numerals

I have a relationship with a Rolex AD in town. Over the years, I have been fortunate to get a lot of valuable stainless steel models at retail (e.g., Batgirl, Kermit, Black Daytona, Pepsi, multiple DJs). However, now I’m ready to get into other watches and want to sell some of my Rolexes. Should I be worried about the AD finding out that I sold the watch? They have mentioned to me multiple times that they always find out when a customer sells a watch.

https://www.chrono24.de/concord/delirium---la-nuit--id45364690.htm?SETLANG=en_DE&SETCURR=EUR

what do y’all think of this one? Concord seems to have lost pretty much all its brand recognition, but the watch looks great.

As the FTW Collective is a “no judgment zone” for the kind of wasteful debauchery over wrist trinkets we all love, let’s hear those stories about the most expensive or otherwise zany/egregious/disgusting watch purchase you’ve made while under the influence.

I’ll start…I once paid retail for a Breguet Classique Calendar at the Breguet Boutique in Las Vegas.

If you’re like me, you first came across Delray and now the FTW Collective via Federico Talks Watches. Fed’s latest video posted yesterday — it’s about clarifying what the Collective is and is not. https://youtu.be/jXfoR6HdlhI?si=kXYqTunlzoPe352q

I was thinking it’d be nice if some of us left comments with our first-hand FTWC experiences. I’ve seen/read some misinformation about the Collective on YouTube, Reddit, etc … not so much negativity as skepticism about the value proposition. Some first-hand perspectives would probably be a good antidote for that misinformation.

I’ve found tremendous value as an FTWC member: the deals in the marketplace; find-my-grail; the community/banter; the access to Fed / dealer advice. And now there’s the Sartory Billard custom group watch project, which Fed and Josh have run point on — free of charge — and negotiated ~$2,400 discount per watch.

I look forward to seeing FTWC continue to grow and figure this is a small, easy way we can help make that happen. Just a thought. Cheers, all!

PS It’s not too late to join the Sartory Billard group watch project. It’s gonna be a very cool watch at a very cool price. I know I’m in. https://www.ftwcollective.io/posts/ftw-watch-project-update-with-big-news

Ok so - I have my reasons. Might be time to go a little douche as I think you said in one of the videos ;-)

Any idea what the correct price would be for a Hublot Big Bang Integrated Time Only Sky Blue Ceramic Skeleton Dial 456.EX.5120.EX?

There is a pretty wide range. I have no idea how to price a Hublot. Does anyone normally want these things? Are they hard to move or is there a Hublot underground that wants them? Seems like at least a few of these are sitting for hundreds of days unsold.

I cant imagine there are many more dopes like me out there who want a Don Johnson, light blue, ceramic, open work for zero reason only to reveal a seiko level finishing on the top of the movement, but here we are.

Other than run the other way which is the correct answer, advice on price for this model or shopping for Hublot in general?

If we know these are sitting for months and months and the advertised ask is below 15 is the correct price more like 13-13.5 for something it seems nobody wants? I am hoping you guys say lower but......

https://www.essential-watches.com/watch/Hublot-456EX5120EX-Big-Bang-Integrated-40mm-in-Sky-Blue-Ceramic-on-Sky-Blue-Ceramic-Bracelet-Strap-with-Skeleton-Dial/106655

https://wpbwatchco.com/product/hublot-big-bang-integrated-time-only-sky-blue-ceramic-skeleton-dial-456-ex-5120-ex/



I have a vintage Atmos clock that needs to be serviced. (It frequently stops).

Anyone have any recommendations for someone who does this?

I live in the DC area but of course can ship it.

Thanks

Curious between these two:

Speake-Marin Ripples vs Louis Vuitton Tambour

Very different vibes, but both are tempting in their own way.

Which would you pick, and why?